Marsha West
Waterboarding, abortion, and liberals' appalling inconsistency
By Marsha West
Some Americans feel that interrogative waterboarding is "torture" and are quite worried that our enemies are subjected to this sort of practice. I find it appallingly inconsistent that they wring their hands over the alleged mistreatment of suspected terrorists and yet they fully support what goes on behind closed doors in abortion mills like Planned Parenthood.
If you're pro-abortion, consider this: A fetus at 10 weeks bends, stretches, opens and closes her hands, can make a fist, lifts her head, squints, swallows and wrinkles her forehead. Now imagine a noisy suction device entering her peaceful world — to rip her fragile limbs from her body.
Liberals do not consider abortion torture. Waterboarding is torture.
Here's what our pro-abort president had to say about waterboarding:
"I am absolutely convinced [banning waterboarding] was the right thing to do, not because there might not have been information that was yielded by these various detainees who were subjected to this treatment, but because we could have gotten this information in other ways, in ways that were consistent with our values, in ways that were consistent with who we are."
Barack Obama thinks waterboarding is inconsistent with our values. On the other hand, he thinks killing babies is consistent with who we are.
It's not surprising that many Americans believe abortion should be legal. After all, the high court determined in Roe v. Wade, the landmark case that legalized abortion in the U.S., that the fetus is not a person under the 14th Amendment and created a new constitutional right for a pregnant woman to have an abortion. The fact that a large number of people holds that a woman's "reproductive rights" or her "reproductive health" takes precedence over the life of the preborn speaks volumes about who we are.
The number of people who support abortion is dwindling. The latest Gallup survey, conducted May 7-10, reports that 51% of Americans call themselves pro-life and just 42 percent say they are pro-choice and support legal abortions. The survey indicates the public has taken a more conservative (sane) view of abortion. [1]
Perhaps the turnaround is a result of ultrasounds performed during the second-trimester. Pregnant women are shown the image of a new life forming inside their womb — and it's not a blob of tissue! People now recognize that women who choose to have an abortion are signing a baby's death warrant! In spite to the fact that pro-aborts have tried to keep some of the barbaric abortion practices under wraps the public has learned the truth. One such practice is partial-birth abortion (PBA). A couple of years ago I wrote a piece on the horrors of PBA. Following is a graphic description of the procedure:
"To "save the life of the mother," a living, breathing, baby is partially delivered, then scissors are jammed into its skull to make a hole large enough for a suction tube. The tube is inserted into the hole and the baby's brains are sucked out causing the skull to collapse. Sounds like something right out of a Hollywood horror flick, doesn't it? I doubt that even Hollywood would go this far to shock their audience." [2]
So now you know the inconvenient truth about a procedure once employed by abortion doctors to terminate an inconvenient pregnancy.
Several years ago I gave a liberal friend the gory details of PBA hoping to change her mind about abortion. I still recall her indignant response: "No doctor would do that! That's just right-wing propaganda and you'll never convince me otherwise."
She was wrong, of course. PBA was practiced in America until the pro-life movement brought it to light. Pro-lifers joined forces to put a stop to it. It took the pro-life movement 8 years but they succeeded in banning PBA. In 2003 President Bush signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.
Most conservatives view PBA as much, much worse than waterboarding! That's because baby killing is inconsistent with conservative values. Not so with most liberals. To them waterboarding is much, much worse than abortion. That's because killing preborn babies is consistent with liberal values. For liberals a woman's "reproductive rights" trumps the life of the unborn. Roe gave them a constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason they choose, up to the last month. Many on the far Left, including, President Obama, do not object to PBA or even to late term abortions. (Read about the Freedom of Choice Act, a bill that would nullify every legal limit on abortion and strike down all state pro-life laws ... http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html)
And speaking of the far Left, the Hollywood elites drone on and on about how we "torture" Al-Qaeda detainees and in their next breath they verbally assault pro-lifers! Remember their outrage over what happened to a few detainees at Abu Ghraib? Thankfully the soldiers involved in that inexcusable behavior were prosecuted. Entertainers drew attention to what happened at Abu Ghraib yet only a small number of them are willing to raise their voices to stop the torture of the preborn! Why?
For the first time in 8 years America has a pro-abortion president. But even now a large number of Americans are unaware of Obama's radical views on abortion. The public is still unaware that he has publicly stated that if a baby survives a botched abortion it should not receive medical attention and should be left alone to die. I'm not making this up! I wrote about his diabolical views in October '08 and exposed then Sen. Barack Obama's aggressive anti-family agenda:
"While in the Illinois legislature Sen. Obama voted against the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). The bill stated that all born-alive babies will be legally protected persons upon birth, no matter what gestational age — even if they accidentally survive an abortion."
"'Obama ultimately voted in 2003 against a version of the bill identical to a Congressional anti-infanticide bill the Senate approved on a 98-0 margin and on which the pro-abortion group NARAL took no position.'" [3]
Barack Obama voted against BAIPA twice. Only 15 members of the House opposed BAIPA. It passed the U.S. Senate unanimously on a voice vote. President Bush happily signed the bill.
Let's stop right here and think about this. Obama portrays himself as a thoughtful person who carefully weighs both sides of the abortion issue. But don't let him fool you! His radical pro-abortion view puts him further left than NARAL Pro-Choice America, the well-funded lobbying group for increased abortion rights that took no position on BAIPA.
In the above referenced article I also revealed:
"Back in 2001 Obama described a baby born-alive after a botched abortion as 'previable.' Here is an excerpt of his statement on the Illinois Senate floor:
"'Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a — a child, a nine-month-old — child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.'
"Excuse me? A baby outside the mother's womb that shows signs of life is not a fetus! Merriam-Webster.com defines 'previable' thus: 'Not sufficiently developed to survive outside the uterus.' The question all people must ask themselves is this: What if an abortion survivor is sufficiently developed to live outside the womb? Should an abortionist be permitted to snuff out his or her life? Obama says yes — and without a second opinion!" [4]
I realize many of his supporters may find his abortion views hard to believe, but try. It is a fact that as a state senator, Barack Obama let politics be a factor in deciding whether or not a baby born alive is a child.
President Obama recently made a statement on waterboarding indicating that he was worried that it undermines our moral authority and does not make us safer:
"Enlisting our values in the protection of our people makes us stronger and more secure. A democracy as resilient as ours must reject the false choice between our security and our ideals, and that is why these methods of interrogation are already a thing of the past." [5]
What if President Obama were asked if PBA should be viewed as torture? Pro-lifers would be jubilant if he replied something like this:
"Enlisting our values in the protection of our unborn makes us stronger and more compassionate. A democracy as resilient as ours must reject the false choice between a woman's reproductive rights and the life of her unborn child. And that is why all forms of abortion are already a thing of the past."
But don't count on Obama worrying about the unborn.
What he does worry about is alleged torture, even though using prescribed rules to waterboard 3 terrorism suspects who tried to kill Americans produced valuable information without endangering their lives. And by the way, waterboarding is used to train our own troops! We do not torture our own people! Let me be clear that I do not condone torturing our enemies. I simply disagree with how President Obama and the Left define torture. (For more on the "torture" controversy watch MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell interview Liz Cheney. Click here, or go to link 6 below.)
Returning to my argument that aborting an innocent preborn baby is much, much worse than waterboarding a terror suspect, if you still haven't formed an opinion I invite you to look at the following information:
Abortion video:
http://www.prolifetraining.com/WMV/Abortion-Pictures-high.htm
Patial-birth abortion diagram:
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/pba_images/pba_images_heathers_place.htm
Waterboarding:
http://waterboarding.org/node/17
Fetal development 20 weeks (If you're thinking about having an abortion, please view this site first.):
http://www.abortiontruth.com/
One last thing. Over 4,000 babies are tortured by abortion doctors in America every day. Let me repeat, abortion is much, much worse than waterboarding and must become a thing of the past! According to the latest polls Americans are finally starting to come to their senses.
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in Heaven." — Matthew 18:10
NOTES:
© Marsha West
May 19, 2009
Some Americans feel that interrogative waterboarding is "torture" and are quite worried that our enemies are subjected to this sort of practice. I find it appallingly inconsistent that they wring their hands over the alleged mistreatment of suspected terrorists and yet they fully support what goes on behind closed doors in abortion mills like Planned Parenthood.
If you're pro-abortion, consider this: A fetus at 10 weeks bends, stretches, opens and closes her hands, can make a fist, lifts her head, squints, swallows and wrinkles her forehead. Now imagine a noisy suction device entering her peaceful world — to rip her fragile limbs from her body.
Liberals do not consider abortion torture. Waterboarding is torture.
Here's what our pro-abort president had to say about waterboarding:
"I am absolutely convinced [banning waterboarding] was the right thing to do, not because there might not have been information that was yielded by these various detainees who were subjected to this treatment, but because we could have gotten this information in other ways, in ways that were consistent with our values, in ways that were consistent with who we are."
Barack Obama thinks waterboarding is inconsistent with our values. On the other hand, he thinks killing babies is consistent with who we are.
It's not surprising that many Americans believe abortion should be legal. After all, the high court determined in Roe v. Wade, the landmark case that legalized abortion in the U.S., that the fetus is not a person under the 14th Amendment and created a new constitutional right for a pregnant woman to have an abortion. The fact that a large number of people holds that a woman's "reproductive rights" or her "reproductive health" takes precedence over the life of the preborn speaks volumes about who we are.
The number of people who support abortion is dwindling. The latest Gallup survey, conducted May 7-10, reports that 51% of Americans call themselves pro-life and just 42 percent say they are pro-choice and support legal abortions. The survey indicates the public has taken a more conservative (sane) view of abortion. [1]
Perhaps the turnaround is a result of ultrasounds performed during the second-trimester. Pregnant women are shown the image of a new life forming inside their womb — and it's not a blob of tissue! People now recognize that women who choose to have an abortion are signing a baby's death warrant! In spite to the fact that pro-aborts have tried to keep some of the barbaric abortion practices under wraps the public has learned the truth. One such practice is partial-birth abortion (PBA). A couple of years ago I wrote a piece on the horrors of PBA. Following is a graphic description of the procedure:
"To "save the life of the mother," a living, breathing, baby is partially delivered, then scissors are jammed into its skull to make a hole large enough for a suction tube. The tube is inserted into the hole and the baby's brains are sucked out causing the skull to collapse. Sounds like something right out of a Hollywood horror flick, doesn't it? I doubt that even Hollywood would go this far to shock their audience." [2]
So now you know the inconvenient truth about a procedure once employed by abortion doctors to terminate an inconvenient pregnancy.
Several years ago I gave a liberal friend the gory details of PBA hoping to change her mind about abortion. I still recall her indignant response: "No doctor would do that! That's just right-wing propaganda and you'll never convince me otherwise."
She was wrong, of course. PBA was practiced in America until the pro-life movement brought it to light. Pro-lifers joined forces to put a stop to it. It took the pro-life movement 8 years but they succeeded in banning PBA. In 2003 President Bush signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.
Most conservatives view PBA as much, much worse than waterboarding! That's because baby killing is inconsistent with conservative values. Not so with most liberals. To them waterboarding is much, much worse than abortion. That's because killing preborn babies is consistent with liberal values. For liberals a woman's "reproductive rights" trumps the life of the unborn. Roe gave them a constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason they choose, up to the last month. Many on the far Left, including, President Obama, do not object to PBA or even to late term abortions. (Read about the Freedom of Choice Act, a bill that would nullify every legal limit on abortion and strike down all state pro-life laws ... http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html)
And speaking of the far Left, the Hollywood elites drone on and on about how we "torture" Al-Qaeda detainees and in their next breath they verbally assault pro-lifers! Remember their outrage over what happened to a few detainees at Abu Ghraib? Thankfully the soldiers involved in that inexcusable behavior were prosecuted. Entertainers drew attention to what happened at Abu Ghraib yet only a small number of them are willing to raise their voices to stop the torture of the preborn! Why?
For the first time in 8 years America has a pro-abortion president. But even now a large number of Americans are unaware of Obama's radical views on abortion. The public is still unaware that he has publicly stated that if a baby survives a botched abortion it should not receive medical attention and should be left alone to die. I'm not making this up! I wrote about his diabolical views in October '08 and exposed then Sen. Barack Obama's aggressive anti-family agenda:
"While in the Illinois legislature Sen. Obama voted against the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). The bill stated that all born-alive babies will be legally protected persons upon birth, no matter what gestational age — even if they accidentally survive an abortion."
"'Obama ultimately voted in 2003 against a version of the bill identical to a Congressional anti-infanticide bill the Senate approved on a 98-0 margin and on which the pro-abortion group NARAL took no position.'" [3]
Barack Obama voted against BAIPA twice. Only 15 members of the House opposed BAIPA. It passed the U.S. Senate unanimously on a voice vote. President Bush happily signed the bill.
Let's stop right here and think about this. Obama portrays himself as a thoughtful person who carefully weighs both sides of the abortion issue. But don't let him fool you! His radical pro-abortion view puts him further left than NARAL Pro-Choice America, the well-funded lobbying group for increased abortion rights that took no position on BAIPA.
In the above referenced article I also revealed:
"Back in 2001 Obama described a baby born-alive after a botched abortion as 'previable.' Here is an excerpt of his statement on the Illinois Senate floor:
"'Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a — a child, a nine-month-old — child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.'
"Excuse me? A baby outside the mother's womb that shows signs of life is not a fetus! Merriam-Webster.com defines 'previable' thus: 'Not sufficiently developed to survive outside the uterus.' The question all people must ask themselves is this: What if an abortion survivor is sufficiently developed to live outside the womb? Should an abortionist be permitted to snuff out his or her life? Obama says yes — and without a second opinion!" [4]
I realize many of his supporters may find his abortion views hard to believe, but try. It is a fact that as a state senator, Barack Obama let politics be a factor in deciding whether or not a baby born alive is a child.
President Obama recently made a statement on waterboarding indicating that he was worried that it undermines our moral authority and does not make us safer:
"Enlisting our values in the protection of our people makes us stronger and more secure. A democracy as resilient as ours must reject the false choice between our security and our ideals, and that is why these methods of interrogation are already a thing of the past." [5]
What if President Obama were asked if PBA should be viewed as torture? Pro-lifers would be jubilant if he replied something like this:
"Enlisting our values in the protection of our unborn makes us stronger and more compassionate. A democracy as resilient as ours must reject the false choice between a woman's reproductive rights and the life of her unborn child. And that is why all forms of abortion are already a thing of the past."
But don't count on Obama worrying about the unborn.
What he does worry about is alleged torture, even though using prescribed rules to waterboard 3 terrorism suspects who tried to kill Americans produced valuable information without endangering their lives. And by the way, waterboarding is used to train our own troops! We do not torture our own people! Let me be clear that I do not condone torturing our enemies. I simply disagree with how President Obama and the Left define torture. (For more on the "torture" controversy watch MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell interview Liz Cheney. Click here, or go to link 6 below.)
Returning to my argument that aborting an innocent preborn baby is much, much worse than waterboarding a terror suspect, if you still haven't formed an opinion I invite you to look at the following information:
Abortion video:
http://www.prolifetraining.com/WMV/Abortion-Pictures-high.htm
Patial-birth abortion diagram:
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/pba_images/pba_images_heathers_place.htm
Waterboarding:
http://waterboarding.org/node/17
Fetal development 20 weeks (If you're thinking about having an abortion, please view this site first.):
http://www.abortiontruth.com/
One last thing. Over 4,000 babies are tortured by abortion doctors in America every day. Let me repeat, abortion is much, much worse than waterboarding and must become a thing of the past! According to the latest polls Americans are finally starting to come to their senses.
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in Heaven." — Matthew 18:10
NOTES:
[5] Obama's statement regarding torture memos, April 17, 2009 — Associated Press (MinnesotaPublicRadio.org)
[6] MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell's interview with Liz Cheney on the "torture" controversy — Powerlinblog.com
© Marsha West
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